Do you tink that pleased God? Condemnation Quotes (91 quotes) - Goodreads I take my hat off to you! She has asked us to pray for sinners repeatedly. That is exactly what it equals. It was a game changer for me. This is not to be confused with graces originating from a supernatural occurrence (such as purported apparitions). Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. You are naive if you think it is loyalty to the Church to obey directives blindly from bishops who clearly are in defiance of Rome. and now you cannot even keep your own argument in order. Our destiny is in our own hands. My sources of reference are the great St. Thomas of Aquinas and the highly-esteemed orthodox theologian, Deitrich von Hildebrand, called by Pope Pius X11 a 20th century Doctor of the Church. Dont let it ruin your family too. Fr. Ill just say this. Catholics must keep their heads on straight and not wander from Church teachings, but praying at an apparition site is not wrong. In your posting of messages from HLM I answered you point by point. No less. The apparitions are real. God bless, Tom. I dont use my emotions to discern. I have written an article about visionaries entitled Private revelations and Obedience to the Catholic Church which includes some biblical references and also some examples from the Saints in regards to the absolute necessity of obedience for visionaries/mystics and those who follow them. 214 The Christian faithful have the right to worship God according to the prescripts of their own rite approved by the legitimate pastors of the Church and to follow their own form of spiritual life so long as it is consonant with the doctrine Let me begin by quoting St. Thomas of Aquinas from the Summa: Obedience is a part of justice, one of the four cardinal virtues, which, are, in turn, subordinate to the theological virtues of Faith, Hope and, Charity. Tell me, 3221, where does the word admonishment (or another derivative form) appear in Lennons document? The burden of proof is upon you, not me. (2)Forgive everything. The Church authorities were WRONG. Let me quote again from Catholic Apologetics: Is not fidelity to the true teaching of the Church to be given. it is NOT CONDEMNATION,NOR DOES IT FORBID persons to go there. Whether or not an organization is under the authority of a diocese it still is free to share Catholic doctrine. Read all about it in The Rite The Making of a Modern Exorcist by Matt Baglio. 3221, if you do not see this, there is no purpose in further communicating with me on this matter. Yes, it is, replies Thomas of Aquinas together with every. If you obey the heresy of unfaithful bishops, you are not being faithful to the Church. The CCC gave me my talking points. 6/29/93 from Our Lady: Forgive everything and you will not be in error. This is contrary to our faith. She means hold no grudges, do not withhold forgiveness no matter what someone does to you. PDF Holy Love Ministries has maintained a period of silence, and now we If there was initial skepticism and resistance, God ultimately overcame it. We dont consecrated ourselves to the Cross. There are no errors there. I am not accusing Bishop Lennon of anything. He is succeeding in making people such as yourself to turn away from the Church and convincing you all that YOU are the faithful ones! and in fact, the Holy See was consulted on this matter and appears to be with Lennon. A meeting with Holy Love representatives made it clear that the ministry will not subject themselves to the Catholic Church. Look it up in the CCC. Perhaps his use of the phrase admonish the faithful to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purposes suggests something otherwise to you? Or an unfaithful Bishop? Holy Love Messages "This is the decade (2020-2030) when it is most important to discern correctly good from evil, as Satan's instruments will rise to power clothed in goodness. As for arguing about it, from what Im reading here, I dont think it would make any dent whatsoever, no matter how orthodox, learned, or convincing the argument. It has never been the Churchs position that free will keeps a soul from holiness. In November of 2006, I wrote an article for Catholic exchange exposing the Holy Love site. The answer to this problem for faithful Catholics is to obey their Bishop, stop going to Holy Love Ministries, and pray. EXCELLENT and apropos quote from the revelations to St. Margaret Mary. The fact that Bishop Lennon wont provide me or others any God does not act this way with His Church. He has issued a warning. Period. Your name kind of rings a bell. The word condemned was not used but it is apparent that there are serious concerns regarding the authenticity of the apparitions, among other things. Guard me against all evil. Yes, saints obeyed their superiors by accepting punishment (whippings, imprisonment, etc) for the fact that they would NOT stop publicizing the Truth. How many chambers are there in the human heart? Separation from the ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ is Satans work. If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. Thank you so much Kevin. He boils the whole of the place down into ONLY the two greatest commandments. Thank you so much. It is prideful to set oneself up over Church authority. Doctrinal fidelity as a mark of authenticity is sometimes an obvious sign, sometimes not so obvious. I understand the attraction, but Im not understanding that people are rejecting Church authority and facts. The one place I can go today to be instructed in the depth of the Catholic Faith is Holy Love Ministries. Having visited the site unknowingly on a pilgrimage with my Mom (who had been invited by her friends whos parish was going and invited me rather nonchalantly; read, she didnt even bother asking where we would go). Not all are holy. This is true of Mary as of no other creature. The Bishops decree against the so-called apparitions at Bayside (Vernoica Leuken) never uses the word condemned. It says no credibility can be given. You would be an excellent addition. Thomas T. is my father. You know more than the Church if you declare HLM satans work. (Catholic Apologetics). Obedience has no limits. There are some seventy references to conscience in the Catechism and none of them affirm the primacy of the conscience, but repeatedly state that an authentic conscience is one that has been submitted to God, to the Gospel, and to the truth. Either we accept the authority of the Church, or we reject it. And the pilgrims are indeed coming even from other countries. I am wondering why HLM bothers you so much. You are unwise to condemn what you do not fully understand nor grasp. One is either Catholic or not. This, my friends, is what he gets out of it: There will be a number of people who believed they were healed or their faith brought to life through Holy Love Ministries that, like a rebellious adolescents, will respond, We dont have to listen to the Church .. But there is a dark side to acting on messages that Church authority warns against. (4) There is no peace, save in the grace of My Heart. who lives about an hour away from me. Ive not heard anything about this. Now, unless you can prove Lennon is not doing this here, you have no grounds to say Lennon doesnt tell us his reasons, thus his Decree is unjust.. And I agree that the Church, Christ Himself, never changes. Graciously, the Holy Spirit granted me the wisdom to recognize that places are not the source of my faith nor do I rely on them but rather I approached in much the same non-committal demeanor as you with a prudent hope. He cut out people who questioned or criticized Holy Love. Patti They say so themselves. All rights reserved. The bigger the basket - the more fruit fits in it.". Albert Drexel, which supports the claims of the Holy Love personnel that they have the right to follow their conscience because they have not taken a vow of obedience to the Bishop. Wow, is that ever an expose! and I quote:no other messages are needed because our message envelops all the other messages People are bound to obey Lennons directives. He backed down. I am obedient to God first and am fully aware of being discerning. Joan of Arc was condemned as a heretic by Catholic bishops and burned at the stake by the Catholic bishops who hated her. Do you lack the intellectual honesty or courage to allow a free debate or are you just an activist journalist pushing an agenda? When was the last time any Catholic heard a Bishop or a Priest condemn the evil of contraception from the pulpit? Excellent, pertinent points. This, my friends, is what he gets out of it: There will be a number of people who believed they were healed or their faith brought to life through Holy Love Ministries that, like a rebellious adolescents, will respond, We dont have to listen to the Church.. If obedience acts to harm, Faith, the a Catholic has a duty not to obey his Superiors. Mother Teresa and her sisters refused to sit after they had received the Holy Eucharist when their bishop specifically reprimanded them and told them to do so. they knew each other since they were 9 yrs old. Nobody claims to be gods here. This was in the home on Broadview Rd. When one resorts to name calling, it is a clear sign of hostility aimed at ones opponent. (11/27/12-ST. JOAN OF ARC) It couldve meant anything or nothing. Not once did she mention the messages. He stopped Padre Pio from performing his priestly duties, healing the sick, administering to the needy, etc. Kind of frightening. When the Church wants to speak definitely, she does so. Thank you, Liz. She was managing editor and co-author of Ascension Press bestsellingAmazing Graceseries. I found all my references on the orhtodox website, Catholic Apologetics, which can be googled on the internet. The messages quoted by Jesus, Mary, and St. Joan of Arc seem to have really taken hold of this person (and so many others). Nonetheless, Bishop Lennon and his expert have serious concerns about Holy Love Ministries for Catholics. There is nothing in the 1983 Code of Canon Law that specifies such a process in these affairs (though the Code affects them). He would need there to be so in order to be freed up to CANONICALLY FORBID Catholics from going there. You said before that you were finished writing to me, but you have not been consistent with what you decided in an earlier post. I am so sorry you feel the need to be insulting. Satan will tolerate good to ultimately sew evil. Well we are in the middle of 2015 and there has been nothing. I dont judge them or point fingers, but it is what it is. Holy Love 37137 Butternut Ridge Road, North Ridgeville, OH 44039 Sitemap, The Way to Heaven Through the Chambers of the United Hearts, Topical Studies & Additional Valuable Resources, Children of the United Hearts Association, Defending the Mission, Ministry and Apparitions, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/Holy%20and%20Divine%20Love%20Messages%20-%20God%20the%20Fathers%20nuances%20and%20depth%20for%20each%20of%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%206%2024%20to%207%2013%202021.mp3, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA, HLM Intro-video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk, HLM 5min Overview Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk). All grace flows through Marys Heart because (as was said above) she is the Mediatrix of all graces. Gods Word NEVER changes. All are Welcome at Maranatha Spring and Shrine - Home of Holy Love Ministries located at 37137 Butternut Ridge Rd, North Ridgeville, Ohio 44039, USA. Since Holy Love moved to their latest location in Elyria, Oh. I am spreading the Rosary of the Unborn around the country because I believe in it. Madame, please state SPECIFICALLY the heresy at HLM. Give me examples of WHERE I am not keeping my argument in order. His most recent communication is a Decree, admonishing the faithful.November 2009. If Our precious Pope told us we were forbidden to go I would listen. It was a no show for the Blessed Mother. Would Jesus and His Blessed Mother and the saints choose Sweeney-Kyle to give the Catholic Church a tongue-lashing? Proper procedures were disregarded And then Our Lady goes even further and warns them/scares them of bad things to come if they dont continue to come to Holy Love: If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves., 3221 believes that St. "Through the Divine Mercy of the Sacred Heart and the Holy Compassion of My Mother's Heart, I was able to courageously embrace the cross.". The graces are always here despite controversies fanned by falsehoods. But now the line has been drawn. The Tree is known by it s fruit!Holy Love has grown many, many Great Holy Fruits! You *will* have to answer for that someday, even though you may not believe that now The bishop is not infallable, and people must use their own discernment. The politics of Clevelands diocese is not my concern. priority over submission to a bishop? That person is Jesus, the Word of God made flesh. This justifies and verifies the goodness of the place in his mind. Id not heard of it ~ Our Lady of Good Help ~ in Wisconsin. Further, no one can or should dictate against Heavens intervention here. The argument is as follows: Bishop Lennon only admonishes the faithful from going to HLM. If we do not take the word of our bishop, we are in trouble. Padre pio asked why and Jesus turned and looked at his priests who were not tending the flock as they should. Does he support homosexual groups? Again, I reiterate something said above: the law of non-contradiction still stands. There is nothing theologically erroneous in the messages you cited. Este sitio tambien tiene articulos del famoso Padre Fortea, exorcista en espana. It did not. It is for this reason that Our Lady says free will keeps us from holiness. So, since you cannot best me in this argument, your answer now is to encourage all to ignore me. Most of the messages are even similar to Medjugorje. I received a booklet with them and that is when i saw these so called messages. And, furthermore, this directly contradicts the 7/29/93 message above from Our Lady! My argument did not win him over. You may enjoy this one: http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/. The above is more about emotions and passions run amock than the practicing of Divine/Catholic Faith (to say nothing of Reason). depends on souls who have sincerely consecrated themselves to the Cross. This is contrary to our faith. There are many in Church authority who are disobedient to the teachings of the Catholic faith and to the Pope. Conscious of their own responsibility, the Christian faithful are bound to Is your book going to be this ambiguous? Sure, the Church can be overly hard on mystics at times, but the authentic ones OBEYED anyway. Everything I knew about him seemed to be the real deal. God bless. In March 1992, the Duluth Diocese investigated, and ultimately advised Catholics to stay away. Holy Love Ministries claims that Our Lady gave this message to Maureen Sweeney Kyle on July 2, 2001: "I see you are using the new Rosary of the Unborn. Has he checked their theological content? Division comes from Satan himself. Just knowing of the disobedience by those who promote and follow Holy Love Ministries is enough to warn off truly faithful Catholics. At Holy Love, just being outside Church authority is warning enough for me. You do not disturb mine at all. May Our Good God Bless All Those Who Read This and may their eyes and minds be opened. Obviously, you must have something else in your hands. If only they would speak as forcefully and clearly about the evil of abortion as does Holy Love Ministries. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. 3221 You are absolutely wrong. It is the biggest of red flags when a visionary is disobedient to the disciplinary actions of the Church. From the book: the demon is always actively watching people and he gets pleasure when he see that they are not faithful to God and, as a result, take his sideHe wants humankind to rebel against God as well, and this is the one accusation that he can level against an individual at the Last Judgment that has the most weight (in Chapter 14, Windows to the Soul). Correction, should be Where Maureen Claimed she was receiving messages and apparitions. God bless you, Liz! And what did Padre Pio do when the Bishop ordered him to stop? Do not let anyone take away your free will choices.. The math simply doesnt add up! Wishing you and yours a Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year! I can use all the prayers I can get. Please ponder these words of Jesus to St. Margaret Mary Alacoque after she explained to Him that she did not do something that He had asked of her because her Superior forbid it: Therefore not only do I desire that you should do what your Superior commands, but also that you should do nothing of all that I order without their consent. Then you won't be in a position to judge." Ellen J. Bishop Lennon has NOT spoken definitively. But thats neither here nor there. If he himself is not addressing these issues, it would go a long way to explain his aversion to HLM. The saints took the opposite road. Yes, the Church is made of sinners (of which I am one) and saints. As a suggestion for you to decide for yourselves on? And may their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. "Heavenly Father, today, I surrender to You my heart. God will bring out the truth. I just read the This is the error of relativism. You are all mixed up big time. Then came a time of upheaval. I dont know how to accomplish it, but this is where the problem lies., in my opinion. While the genuine theologian attempts to develop and complement and unfold biblical and ecclesial teaching, he does not reject it. And anywhere the Heaven has touched down onto a privileged soul, you will find that either the home or place where they continued to TRULY appear have never been sold! Bishops have not taught the truth Faith for so long that something like 80% of Catholics do not believe in the real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist.You seem to think that obedience to a heretical bishop is the way to prove you are catholic. Needless to say, he backed down. (Titus1:10) as they no longer speak on behalf of teh Church but become representatives of their own novelty. A lot of Saints also give teachings. Bishops have allowed these spiritual perversions and they will answer to God for it. You are mixed up, Elizabeth and you need a good Catholic priest to help you think things through. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about the Catholic churches he unjustly closed, replete with canon law abuses so egregious that Rome overrode his decisions and rebuked him sharply? WORDING IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT IN CANONMICAL DOCUMENTS. Remember those who walked away from Christ because He told them,; Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of God, you have no life in you. this was a hard saying for them. Disobedience to Church authority is one of the premier hallmarks of a false vision or apparition (there are others such as self-promotion, pride and profitting). You have the document that proves condemnation. I look only into the heart. Hate to disagree, but the Devil would indeed promote the Rosary if it gains him more than it loses him. I was put off regarding mention of Marys hair as well. Secondly, there appears to be a contradiction. Stay with the issue. You do not know what God would do. Thank you for this article and I hope you and others continue to publicize this. Be Holy Love as My Son was Holy Love in the world. btw, for those who are interested in Glenns article Private Revelations and Obedience to the Catholic Church here is the link: Jesus and Mary would never, ever, ever, EVER counsel someone to be disobedient to the legitimate Church authority. When in the history of the Catholic Church has the Blessed Mother operated outside the Church? You would either have to be authentic and your announcement would be fulfilled or a fool. Incidentally, I keep hearing about such bad doctrine from those who mock HLM. Stop the scoffing and mocking. Heres the entries for synonyms for admonish: berate, censure, rebuke, chide, reprimand, reprove, scold. Your Mother Mary is so wedded to God and you will find His peace through allowing her to lead you to Her Heart where she has untold graces just for you. In the case of this particular apparition, no legitimate investigation was ever done. Patti Maguire Armstrong is a TV talk show host ofLadies of Another Viewand an award-winning author andmagazines and newspaper journalist. This is what HLM has to do with Medjugorie. We hear the Church when we follow Her official pronouncements. It is very sad to see an article that is truly going to misdirect souls that could be saved. If He wanted women priests, then wouldnt Mother Mary be the first priestess? These are people willing to travel great distances and do whatever else it takes to bask in love and graces from heaven. It is offensive. You, 3221, say there is nothing against the Faith at HLM. Me gusta practicartambien, es una avenida para los que no pueden entender el ingles bien. Secondly, I wold like to clarify my own position regarding this apparition site. That would be tantamount to making the Cross into a god. Exactly. The so-called 'Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary' is not an approved association of the Catholic faithful, the alleged apparitions and locutions are not of a supernatural nature, the sacraments are not to be celebrated at the site of Holy Love Ministries, and the Catholic faithful are admonished to cease gathering for I have a close friend who is a member of this organization(its not a catholic site and priests are not allowed to say mass by the bishop.) Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. We can either OPEN the door (cooperate with grace) or CLOSE the door( choose to REJECT the grace flowing THROUGH Marys Heart. Do I need to tell you that? Catholic mystical theology is lacking most deplorably in so-called catechesis today. Then, all their gains are lost. But in matters concerning the disposal of actions and human affairs, a subject is bound to obey his superior within the sphere of his authority; for instance a soldier must obey his general in matters relating to war, a servant his master in matters touching the execution of the duties of his service, a son his father in matters relating to the conduct of his life and the care of the household; and so forth (Second part of the second part, Question 104, Article 5, I answer that, http://www.newadvent.org).
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